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PostSubject: new vision 4X frames @ ravens cycle...   Sat Aug 04, 2012 2:20 am

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PostSubject: Re: new vision 4X frames @ ravens cycle...   Sat Aug 04, 2012 9:30 am

wow, ganda... pati ng decals!
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PostSubject: Re: new vision 4X frames @ ravens cycle...   Mon Aug 06, 2012 6:35 am

sayang i was expecting a tapered headtube....c",?
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PostSubject: Re: new vision 4X frames @ ravens cycle...   Mon Aug 06, 2012 12:37 pm

tnx...venk..
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PostSubject: Re: new vision 4X frames @ ravens cycle...   Mon Aug 06, 2012 2:24 pm

pasensya kna boss ben at pinkeelaman ko nayung mga pics mo, tuwang tuwa kasi ako sa vision 4x ngayun hehehe...

@ goldkitten - pag tagal siguro pwede na sumunod sa tappered headtube, dati nga wala ISCG mounts db? ngayun sunod na din sa modern iscg mount... Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: new vision 4X frames @ ravens cycle...   Mon Aug 06, 2012 2:59 pm

sama na sa wishlist ang adjustable chanistays! (o horizontal dropouts) Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: new vision 4X frames @ ravens cycle...   Mon Aug 06, 2012 3:59 pm

OT lang po, sir zap mas okay ba ang horizontal dropouts?
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PostSubject: Re: new vision 4X frames @ ravens cycle...   Mon Aug 06, 2012 5:14 pm

buzzkill wrote:
OT lang po, sir zap mas okay ba ang horizontal dropouts?
For single speed setups, kailangan yun para adjustable yung tension ng chain. Otherwise, magkakabit ka ng chain tensioner sa derailleur hanger.

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PostSubject: Re: new vision 4X frames @ ravens cycle...   Mon Aug 06, 2012 6:32 pm

nakita ko kanina to ng personal sa quiapo pag daan ko...ganda pati sa welds maganda... kaya TULUNGAN nyo naman ako..hehehe nalilito ko...may kabigatan ngalang kasi compared sa xlr8r

xlr8r ba or eto nalang kaya?
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PostSubject: Re: new vision 4X frames @ ravens cycle...   Mon Aug 06, 2012 7:33 pm

ZachDaemon01 wrote:
nakita ko kanina to ng personal sa quiapo pag daan ko...ganda pati sa welds maganda... kaya TULUNGAN nyo naman ako..hehehe nalilito ko...may kabigatan ngalang kasi compared sa xlr8r

xlr8r ba or eto nalang kaya?
Go for broke. Wala kang makikitang ganito ang geometry at this price. Vision na! bounce

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PostSubject: Re: new vision 4X frames @ ravens cycle...   Mon Aug 06, 2012 7:39 pm

ung vision na bago sinukat ko kela ben ng nakasabit kaya baka hindi accurate ah pero eto

21.5TT
14" seattube
16.5 chainstay
ung head angle lang hindi ko nasukat
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PostSubject: Re: new vision 4X frames @ ravens cycle...   Mon Aug 06, 2012 7:48 pm

sir liez 16 lang daw po CS ayon sabi nung mekanic sa globalcraze sa quiapo, pinasukat ko kasi kanina.
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PostSubject: Re: new vision 4X frames @ ravens cycle...   Mon Aug 06, 2012 8:38 pm

sinukat ko kasi ng nakasabit sa dingding eheheh
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PostSubject: Re: new vision 4X frames @ ravens cycle...   Tue Aug 07, 2012 12:12 am

buzzkill wrote:
OT lang po, sir zap mas okay ba ang horizontal dropouts?

this frame is for 4x(four cross) so dapat may gears sa likod..dedicated single na front unlike ung previous design na meron pa fd mount...ngaun pang single front nalang sya..kung horizontal droput hassle sa brakes pag mag tanggal ng tires and kung gears pwede gumalaw..kaya naka vertical drop out sya..kung sakali maglabas ng horizontal drop out..for sure hndi na 4x ang model nya...

and kung tapered naman ang h.tubes tapos ang gagamitin din na fork standard 1 1/8 din...parang pahihirapan pa natin maghanap ng dj/4x fork na naka tapered na..and kaya 1 1/8 sya para malaki ang options mo sa h.set and mas mura i-build...unlike sa tapered h.set. na hndi pa ganun kadami ang options and mas mahal, and mas mabigat...
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PostSubject: Re: new vision 4X frames @ ravens cycle...   Tue Aug 07, 2012 2:16 am

kaya ang bagay dito ay shimano ZEE, napaka mura nun... hehehe
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PostSubject: Re: new vision 4X frames @ ravens cycle...   Tue Aug 07, 2012 3:15 am

tama yan gawa nila, mas simple para sa mga budgetado. kaya noisy na rin kayo!



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PostSubject: Re: new vision 4X frames @ ravens cycle...   Tue Aug 07, 2012 6:36 am

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and kung tapered naman ang h.tubes tapos ang gagamitin din na fork standard 1 1/8 din...parang pahihirapan pa natin maghanap ng dj/4x fork na naka tapered na..and kaya 1 1/8 sya para malaki ang options mo sa h.set and mas mura i-build...unlike sa tapered h.set. na hndi pa ganun kadami ang options and mas mahal, and mas mabigat...
i asked about tapered head tube due to the availabilty of SR Axon 15QR Tapered which is a fine setup for 4x and much lighter than other dj/4x fork...

then lumabas na itong Shimano Zee so pwedeng pwede na i-match for 4x setup that will not cost you much...

Sir ask ko na rin saan ba nangagaling ang design nitong Vision 4x?..kase and R&D ng ibang kilalang brand ay pinag-aaralan mabute ang design ng kanilang frame at nakikita ko hinde naman ganun kahirap i-design itong 4x frame sa atin...

papasok dyan ang riders input kung ano ang sa tingin nila na maganda, mabilis at komportable i ride...

marketing, like i said available naman na mga 4x fork na tapered at hinde question dito kung mahal pa ang tapered head set at available na rin...
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PostSubject: Re: new vision 4X frames @ ravens cycle...   Tue Aug 07, 2012 10:30 am

zap wrote:
sama na sa wishlist ang adjustable chanistays! (o horizontal dropouts) Very Happy

pag may lumabas na ganitong 4x.......mag-no-noisy ako Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: new vision 4X frames @ ravens cycle...   Tue Aug 07, 2012 11:47 am

Ely!!! Eto oh! Hehehe.

Some DJ/4X bikes with adjustable chainstays:

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PostSubject: Re: new vision 4X frames @ ravens cycle...   Tue Aug 07, 2012 2:19 pm

jackal! slick and sick!
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PostSubject: Re: new vision 4X frames @ ravens cycle...   Tue Aug 07, 2012 5:44 pm

isama nyo dyan yun Kinesis na DJ/4x forgot ko yun model name, meron din adjustable horizontal drop out c",?


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PostSubject: Re: new vision 4X frames @ ravens cycle...   Tue Aug 07, 2012 5:54 pm

goldkitten wrote:
isama nyo dyan yun Kinesis na DJ/4x forgot ko yun model name c",?

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PostSubject: Re: new vision 4X frames @ ravens cycle...   Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:03 pm

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PostSubject: Re: new vision 4X frames @ ravens cycle...   Thu Aug 09, 2012 9:27 am

zap wrote:
buzzkill wrote:
OT lang po, sir zap mas okay ba ang horizontal dropouts?
For single speed setups, kailangan yun para adjustable yung tension ng chain. Otherwise, magkakabit ka ng chain tensioner sa derailleur hanger.

okay sir, in short mas matipid ang horizontal dropout kung magsisingle deraileur ka? hehehe
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PostSubject: Re: new vision 4X frames @ ravens cycle...   Thu Aug 09, 2012 10:02 am

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okay sir, in short mas matipid ang horizontal dropout kung magsisingle deraileur ka? hehehe
Wala yan sa tipid. Ang ibig sabihin ng single speed ay walang gears, isang chainring lang at isang cog lang yung nasa likod. Kaya may horizontal dropouts kasi pag naka single speed ka, wala kang rear derailleur na nagte-tension ng kadena. Pwede mo i-tension ang kadena sa horizontal drop outs by adjusting the position ng rear axle mo.

Hindi advisable ang horizontal dropout sa geared setups kasi maaaring gumalaw ang rear axle mo mid-shift, or any time na konti ang tension ng chain.

Kaya nga ang sabi ni boss Raven etong Vision 4X ay dedicated na pang-4X: single chainring sa harap at geared sa likod. Vertical drop-outs sya, may derailleur hanger para mag-RD. Kung gusto mo i-single speed ang Vision 4X, kailangan mo magkabit ng chain tensioner para hindi malaglagan ng kadena.

Adjustable chainstays give you the best of both worlds: Pwede ka mag-geared kasi vertical ang drop outs at may derailleur hanger, pwede ka din mag single speed kasi pwede i-tension ang chain dahil naa-adjust ang position ng rear axle.

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